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And that's why I never use typescript.

15:21

It makes things hard.

15:21

So hard, a buggy javascript is better for a small, but effective project.

15:22

There is not much need of a javascript in a modern webpage.

15:22

In the early days, yes, we didn't even have a css layout system.

15:22

You either use HTML tables hack, or simulate a layout with JavaScript. (edited)

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The only reason TypeScript is not popular, is that it's hard to use.

15:24

* Not supported.

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15:25

https://survey.stackoverflow.co/2022/#most-popular-technologies-language-prof

They have no choice, they are professionals

a_HmmmThinking

when did it overtake java

15:26

even sounds sus to me

15:27

although i might believe it. because most popular node.js framework, like express.js, strongly encourages .ts too

15:27

the tutorials are all in ts

You can say whatever you want.

15:28

TS is dead unless it's supported. And it's not supported since the last time I checked in 2018

what do you mean "not supported"

tongue

what do you mean "not supported"

Reread everything

15:28

I wrot e

you can't do <script src="hello.ts"></script> ?

15:28

== unsupported

Alright this is too frustrating

15:29

Goes in circles

it is easy to use, maybe in my view a_HmmmThinking

a_HmmmThinking

tongue

== unsupported

Well if you can't use it, it's unsupported

15:29

a_HmmmThinking

15:29

Just like you can't use C language

tongue

you can't do <script src="hello.ts"></script> ?

by this logic, every programming language besides JS is unsupported.

tongue

by this logic, every programming language besides JS is unsupported.

YES

tongue

by this logic, every programming language besides JS is unsupported.

by this logic, even javascript itself is improperly supported.

15:31

https://caniuse.com/?search=es7

15:31

2016 version. nearly 7 years ago

LOok, read the w3

15:31

I'm done with this

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https://www.w3.org/

World Wide Web Consortium (W3C)

The World Wide Web Consortium (W3C) is an international community where Member organizations, a full-time staff, and the public work together to develop Web standards.

15:32

Start here

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https://www.w3.org/

World Wide Web Consortium (W3C)

The World Wide Web Consortium (W3C) is an international community where Member organizations, a full-time staff, and the public work together to develop Web standards.

maybe you should give TS a try, at least

tongue

maybe you should give TS a try, at least

https://www.w3.org/

World Wide Web Consortium (W3C)

The World Wide Web Consortium (W3C) is an international community where Member organizations, a full-time staff, and the public work together to develop Web standards.

it will save you effort from writing <script> tags over and over again a_HmmmThinking

a_HmmmThinking

tongue

it will save you effort from writing <script> tags over and over again a_HmmmThinking

a_HmmmThinking

https://www.w3.org/

World Wide Web Consortium (W3C)

The World Wide Web Consortium (W3C) is an international community where Member organizations, a full-time staff, and the public work together to develop Web standards.

and you can import files into one another

tongue

and you can import files into one another

https://www.w3.org/

World Wide Web Consortium (W3C)

The World Wide Web Consortium (W3C) is an international community where Member organizations, a full-time staff, and the public work together to develop Web standards.

a_HmmmThinking

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15:34

That's all I have to say

w3c defined the cancer called XML

15:34

why should i believe them a_HmmmThinking

a_HmmmThinking

I have no energy left to argue with nonsenses

now it's all WHATWG

15:35

rather than W3C

15:35

https://html.spec.whatwg.org/multipage/

15:35

w3c is full of boomers

15:35

or, to rephrase, html and web standards are driven by browser mafia now a_HmmmThinking

a_HmmmThinking

15:35

whatwg is browser mafia

15:36

w3c just agrees on whatever they say

I mean I can clearly see, that you can only be proven wrong by a real working project.

15:36

It's not worth even talking.

that you can only be proven wrong by a real working project

a_HmmmThinking

why are you mad

15:37

i don't need proofs or anything

15:37

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WHATWG

15:37

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'cause I'm tired of Kernighan and other engineers screaming into my ear that you are completely wrong.

i'm not joking, in fact i wish i was making it up, but w3c really became bitches of google m$ and opera.

15:38

and Apple.

15:38

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yeah yeah

15:38

It's alright

and they will force whatever web 3.0 shits

I do not care aobut web 3.0 either

15:39

OkIPullUp

15:39

I only care about ease of use and consistency

15:39

readability

15:40

complexity

Uoou-Not-the-egg

'cause I'm tired of Kernighan and other engineers screaming into my ear that you are completely wrong.

no, you are not wrong a_HmmmThinking

a_HmmmThinking

, and i'm not microsoft or typescript shill

standards

i mostly care about consistency and automation, hate relearning things over and over again

15:43

ECMAScript 2016 (ES7) not supported by any browser in the world yet, but https://tc39.es/ecma262/

They all contribute to consistency and readablity, and ease of change

ECMAScript 2022 is already released

The only ecmascript I ever cared was ES6

still waiting for the day we can https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/JavaScript/Reference/Statements/import in ES6 in browser.

tongue

still waiting for the day we can https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/JavaScript/Reference/Statements/import in ES6 in browser.

I've used it multiple times

15:45

not that I'm not aware

15:45

It's just that before es6, everything was even more wild

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15:45

this would really solve all the problems of "reusing html" that we were talking about a week ago

15:46

you could include html in other html dynamically.

15:46

but browser mafia hated it

tongue

this would really solve all the problems of "reusing html" that we were talking about a week ago

I said I'm aware of it. What will happen when you disable JavaScript

15:47

That's why I was so interesed in XML manipulation that was available even without a webserver, if you add a flag to chrome before launching the browser.

15:48

but I dropped the idea

15:48

since XML manipulation is too complex looking

15:48

and hard to learn

15:48

and adjust

sorry, HTML imports is a separate thing, somehow it gets mixed into ES6 standard

15:48

https://www.w3.org/TR/html-imports/#link-type-import

15:48

<!DOCTYPE html>
<html lang="en-US">
    <head>
        <title>Human Being</title>
        <link rel="import" href="/imports/heart.html">
    </head>
    <body>
        <p>What is a body without a heart?</p>
    </body>
</html>

so it's better to just use the old old webserver with php or d language.

15:48

as cgi

CGI is actually not a bad idea.

tongue

sorry, HTML imports is a separate thing, somehow it gets mixed into ES6 standard

yea horrible that it is not supported

15:49

I've came along these things in 2018

15:50

I've done everything in 2015-2019

Haiyahh

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i really like CGI because it's unix philosophy

15:51

do only one thing at once, and it do it well

I simply like modularity.

don't remember why php-cgi started becoming unpopular.

15:51

maybe it was because of stupid frameworks like zend2

prob

15:52

it's all in the old day

that moves webserver stuff into the language.

We should focus on writing new software with more robust constrains

15:52

I'm starting to not care about anything

15:53

that was ever written

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I just hope to play some open source bannerlord and open source company of heroes on my riscv computer that goes on some very small independent solar system.

getting headache while reading vlang thing that xarvatium posted

15:54

https://github.com/vlang/doom/blob/master/deh_ammo.v

doom/deh_ammo.v at master · vlang/doom

DOOM translated from C to V. . Contribute to vlang/doom development by creating an account on GitHub.

15:55

global variables

15:55

global variables everywhere

15:55

or maybe that john carmack guy was already using global variables

tongue

getting headache while reading vlang thing that xarvatium posted

Well that just means v language is not worth it

15:56

Show me a language that has these on the front page and is better than D language and I'm on board.

15:56

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15:56

Also only if copy license is of public domain

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15:57

why declaring variables in .v file but still calling them in .c file

15:57

b_JoJoThink

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=smE6LvXWp9o

Creamy Keyboard

16:12

Haiyahh

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16:12

mixing <script> tag, .md, .njk, and .html

16:12

somehow it works

16:13

goal is to add this to blog (edited)

16:13

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wonder if markdown is supported by a web browser through a transpiler to html and an extension to parse/debug it by humans

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Uoou-Not-the-egg

wonder if markdown is supported by a web browser through a transpiler to html and an extension to parse/debug it by humans

transpiling to HTML and then humans can see the original markdown source in the devtools?

a_PepeSadFlower

most you can do is include the original markdown source as comments or attributes, i think.

16:26

during the transpile step.

b_NOOO

16:28

Miseed the joke

16:28

'cause you do not view transpilation and extensions as a problem

https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/markdown-viewer-webext/

Markdown Viewer Webext – Get this Extension for

Firefox (en-US)

Download Markdown Viewer Webext for Firefox. Displays markdown documents beautified in your browser.

16:29

there are people who install extensions just for the sake of reading markdown files, so...

Uoou-Not-the-egg

Miseed the joke

LainStare

16:29

maybe i am the joke.

I install tampermonkey extension to install script to get the emoji

16:30

OkIPullUp

16:30

wish it was supported by browsers

16:30

so we don't need to install it

16:31

and scripts were synced

16:31

But it's good enough

tampermonkey is a different situation, it's always better to have general solution than one extension for everything

16:31

https://greasyfork.org/en/scripts/34133-markdown-viewer

Markdown Viewer

view Markdown in Chrome,allanguage surportted

16:31

If i were them i would install markdown viewer in tampermonkey

tongue

tampermonkey is a different situation, it's always better to have general solution than one extension for everything

a_PepeSadFlower

16:34

It's always to have one general solution that can adapt and feel like multiple solutions, that is modular and in the meantime evolve into something that does not require anything else and everyone are happy with a working tool.

16:35

sometimes when i read LaTex documents online transpiled into HTML, i want to know the source behind it.

16:37

would be nice to inspect and see the original latex source.

16:38

solution is to write Tampermonkey script with some standard that you choose, i guess.

16:38

called

16:39

// @name View Source for Human Readable documents transpiled into HTML

16:39

i don't really see transpile to html as problem. discord is transpiling your markdown to html

16:40

alternative is 100x worse, which is including heavy JS for markdown viewer

16:41

problem is people all going in different directions

Alternative is to include a standard efficient parsing module with official documentation and specification.

Commonmark vs github flavored mark.

Since it is a browser module, you can even provide updates up to some 1mb, to update the specification inside the module over the internet.

16:44

So that it is forwards compatible.

16:45

Mostly I would not except an update reach 200kb

16:45

over a decade

16:45

So we would have around 5 decades to deprecate the module.

16:46

From the worst state scenario, which might never happen.

16:47

'cause in comparison to today, it's impossible to design anything worse.

16:47

If actually tried to engineer such a thing.

16:48

which just means taking into account the general experiences and standardising them

a_HmmmThinking

16:59

is <script> at the bottom of the HTML file the best practice now

16:59

the idea being that all the html can load

16:59

before the script loads

16:59

things change too fast

That's why you design for change

17:00

not what you have now

17:02

1mb update is all you need to apply all the major and minor changes for such software unless we downgrade the science to being apes and all the progress is lost in CPU manufacturing.

17:03

But even then, today's cpu performance is over the top of what's needed.

17:04

Meaning I'm amazed at how fast things are.

17:04

It's just inefficiencies in software, that bottleneck things and inability to apply a complete scientific thinking into problem solving.

17:05

Due to society's current framework - Market Economy's nonsenses.

https://slashdot.org/story/04/07/11/1714235/gates-open-source-kills-jobs

Gates: Open Source Kills Jobs - Slashdot

theodp writes "On the Malaysian leg of a whirlwind Asian tour, Microsoft chairman Bill Gates voiced his concerns over the growing goodwill towards open source, especially in Asia, emphasizing how damaging open source software can be. 'If you don't want to create jobs or intellectual property, then t...

tongue

https://slashdot.org/story/04/07/11/1714235/gates-open-source-kills-jobs

As if that's a bad thing

https://opensource.microsoft.com/program/

Microsoft’s Open Source Program

Microsoft Open Source

Most of these jobs wouldn't even exist with proper engineering since 80s

Takes at least 15 years for people to change their mind.

Now all you have is Torvalds toys

17:08

And stallman's feets

Uoou-Not-the-egg

Most of these jobs wouldn't even exist with proper engineering since 80s

i have been thinking the same thing all along. most jobs out there are just "jobs for the sake of busy work." to increase employment rate. in an ideal, educated world there would be no advertising.

17:09

on one hand, we teach children not to be deluded by advertising.

17:10

on the other hand, we have jobs like "digital marketer" and nonsense tasks like search engine optimization

Once you see an ad, it's already in your brain

b_NOOO

2

KomiLurk

Making connections

a_7020pepebruh

1

Gonna walk blindfolded in streets now

17:10

And earpluggled

17:10

And

17:10

Yes

cookieshug

Cooki

b_emojiyellowfeet

cookieshug

cookieshug

17:11

Not the feet

b_NOOO

tongue

Click to see attachment 🖼️

Here we og

17:11

b_NOOO

Lmao

if everyone knew how to read man pages perfectly, we wouldn't need so many customer support callcenters in india.

a_HmmmWriting

lots of nonsense jobs like insurance seller too.

17:12

creating no net benefit for society.

Insurance seller

merely shuffling money around

That’s

17:12

Interestin

17:12

A

17:12

This channel is like an education center

Uoou-Not-the-egg

Most of these jobs wouldn't even exist with proper engineering since 80s

world population is already beyond sustainable.

17:13

If you don't keep these people employed, there will be an uprising.

17:13

And we will need to flee to the top of a mountain.

17:13

17:13

this is going to be our downfall

tongue

world population is already beyond sustainable.

It's not beyond sustainable. It's beyond sustainable in Market Economic: Capitalism

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too many people leads to market economy: capitalism.

17:15

If you have less people, there is less advantage to enslave other people in the first place.

17:16

if you have less people and small server, there would be less change of your server getting sumi'ed.

17:16

Wanted to link the picture of coke becoming religion in mexico.

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17:16

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but it is lost in the great sumi disaster of 15/7/2022.

Uoou-Not-the-egg

Click to see attachment 🖼️

These are little bit over exaggeration, but yeah (edited)

tongue

but it is lost in the great sumi disaster of 15/7/2022.

Y’all never gonna stop bringing this up b_NOOO

b_NOOO

b_NOOO

soleil

Y’all never gonna stop bringing this up b_NOOO

b_NOOO

b_NOOO

He even remembered the actual date of it

17:18

b_NOOO

b_NOOO

LMAOAGA

17:18

next level

Uoou-Not-the-egg pinned a message to this channel. 25-Aug-22 05:18 PM

tbh

_searching for FLAC music to soothe my ears a_ApuMusic

a_ApuMusic

_

a_ApuMusic

17:19

Oh

17:19

I did that ai thing u sent

17:19

But

17:19

Couldnt download in video form only sound

a_ApuMusic

2

17:19

And when I send it it doesn’t open usually

17:19

So didn’t know what to do

17:19

b_3DExhausted

a_HmmmThinking

torrents really work well

17:40

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17:40

chose a random FLAC to download, downloaded in 9 seconds

17:42

maybe it's the internet police setting up a honeypot

17:42

too fast to be true a_HmmmThinking

a_HmmmThinking

a_HmmmThinking

17:54

Maybe internet have become so fast they can't catch

including .md in .njk in .md in .njk in .html

18:01

a_HmmmThinking

a_HmmmThinking

18:03

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18:03

How do they have such white teeth in the 50s

Those look fake

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o5zOmZGwdL4

Dwayne Johnson Doppelganger || ViralHog

18:04

Haiyahh

18:04

Yeah

18:04

probably they are

Like veneers

18:04

Which are scary imo

18:05

Wait egg

18:05

Why are you the melon lord?

Sticker

Ragu

Why are you the melon lord?

I'm self proclaimed since the days in the sumi server, I've ate a melon or two

18:06

FrogThink

18:06

There is no reason to not be if you eat at least one melon

18:07

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18:07

UuuuoooEgg

Does that make me a lord too?

Uoou-Not-the-egg

Click to see attachment 🖼️

I should probably do this…

18:07

I’m bad at typing

Ragu

Does that make me a lord too?

You just have to claim it

18:07

UuuuoooEgg

Ohooo

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19:50

>inventors of .wav sound format

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"it is lossless"

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people:

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https://wiki.hydrogenaud.io/index.php?title=LossyWAV

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